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MIT engineer Jeff King says 9/11 official theory is impossible

Daily Common Sense readers know I’m usually debunking scams and I don’t agree with most conspiracy theories. Something I haven’t wrote about so far on Daily Common Sense is the 9/11 World Trade Center conspiracy theory. Why? Well, I don’t feel comfortable enough to provide a yes or no answer about the theory. And I still don’t. From the first time I saw the towers collapse I kind of knew there was something wrong. The way they collapsed didn’t seem to agree with the most basic laws of physics but at the same time I’d like to believe it was perfectly normal. I came across a video today simply by browsing the web and I think it’s quite interesting. I don’t want this post to be a “9/11 was an inside job” post because we simply don’t know but I’d like you to have a look at this video. Feel free to leave your comments whatever your beliefs are about the 9/11 World Trade Center attack, I’d like to hear everyone’s opinion on that one as it’s a really interesting debate.

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daniel
February 16th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

Dear Ben. I am using Firefox. Why does your site keep asking me why I am not using Firefox?

CrazedLeper
February 16th, 2008 at 11:21 pm

I have done my homework. I have reached a conclusion. 9/11 was the biggest lie of modern times. Only a thin veil of psychology prevents the average person from discovering the truth.

Ben
February 17th, 2008 at 12:20 am

Daniel, no worries, it’s solved
Thanks for your comment CrazedLeper, I know a lot of people reached your conclusion…

Gale
February 17th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

When I saw the towers fall on live television that day I immediately “knew” that there were explosives planted in the building. I’m not an engineer but I’m not a moron either. I walked around for days asking when they were going to announce that the terrorists had the buildings rigged with explosives to facilitate the plane crashes. When the announcement never came it was like, “Duh!” Most Americans are sleepwalking through life. Come on people, wake up!

craig tonkin
February 17th, 2008 at 6:36 pm

I love conspiricy theories as much as the next man BUT I gotta say I just don’t buy into the 11/9 (sorry, we put the day then the month here) conspiricy.

I reckon the most plausible explanation is that a bunch of twisted extremists mother f*ckers flew a bunch of innocent people into the buildings killing thousands. I gotta say I think the explanation is that simple.

I watched the whole thing unfold live on TV like most of the World and nothing felt odd about the way the towers collapsed. Seems they were just not designed to have a Boeing slam into them.

Sep 11 2001 was a horrible horrible day. Not just for Amercians but for all people who hate to see innocent people die and our way of life threatened.

Like all major historical events of the 20th/21st Century, people are quick to jump to conspiricy theories (insert Nostradamus quote here) but in this case I truely think the most simple explantion is the most likely. Planes + buildings + airline fuel = big hurt.

And yes, I’ve read many of the theories too and seen the documentaries. And no I’m not pushing any political agenda. This is my personal opinion.

Good subject, though. And like all conspiricies, I’m open to changing my mind given the evidence.

Awesome McSaint
February 17th, 2008 at 11:33 pm

to craig tonkin

the people who designed the buildings openly stated(and bragged about it after they were built) that the buildings could take the impact of a plane during a hurricane.

Rob
February 18th, 2008 at 12:04 am

If you have the means, order the Volume 12, No. 4 back issue of Skeptic Magazine (http://www.skeptic.com/the_magazine/archives/vol12n04.html). I’m tired of hearing people who buy into this conspiracy nonsense calling the rest of us “sheep” and insisting that we need to “wake up.”

Ben
February 18th, 2008 at 12:09 am

Thanks Rob!
I knew this was a good subject, I like controversy

harold
February 18th, 2008 at 8:37 am

add you now to the list of theorists.stand in line

Ben
February 18th, 2008 at 9:06 am

No, I don’t think so.

Scott
February 18th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

I don’t know how any logical person could watch the video above (as well as some others out there) and not have some sort of doubt? At least question the investigation and some of the findings a little bit. People that question the official investigation are always labeled as crackpots, or conspiracy theorists, but never as people that think “hey something doesn’t add up”?

Blind Patriotism is the only explanation I’ve been able to come up with this whole time.

Dave K
February 18th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

I’ve seen this video. “It’s as if there were detonators” does NOT necessarily mean that there WERE detonators. Ever see a person hit by a car? I have. She flew through the air as if she were a rag doll. That doesn’t mean that she literally WAS a rag doll. It’s called a simile. I’ve always liked your site….until now. Obviously it’s not very hard to dupe you. Today is the last day you’ll be on my favorites. Goodbye.

Ben
February 18th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

Quite funny Dave, I didn’t know it was so easy to annoy people a create some controversy. As I said in my post if you read it, I think the video is interesting and worth watching. I mean people have provided valuable opinions here as to what their beliefs are about it and I think that’s what we have to do.

I don’t recall saying I was 100% believing the theory, I recall saying the physics of the building crashing brought some doubts to my mind. I guess I’m just open minded and open to discussion, that’s how we go forward…

craig tonkin
February 18th, 2008 at 11:42 pm

I think in this situation, like anything, truth becomes relative. If you wanna see detonators you will. If you wanna see a plane smashing into a building making it fall down, you will.

I still struggle with the concept that enough explosives could be placed in the WTC to bring it down without someone outside the conspiraacy getting suspicious. Keeping secrets is hard. Especially when you involve the amount of people that would’ve been needed to pull off this ‘planned detonation’.

I stand by the terrorist theory (probable fact). Evil Religious sickos destroyed the WTC when they declared jihad on innocent people. Its not ‘blind patriotism’ (I’m not American, anyway) that brings me to that conclusion. It’s based on the evidence that’s before us. it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that if you fly a Boeing into a building, chances are you’re gonna waste that building. And believe me, those terrorists are no geniuses.

Brent
February 19th, 2008 at 6:56 am

I love reading people’s differing opinions on this matter. What never surprises me is that those that believe (or say they believe) the governement’s narrative almost always mention emotional things in their reasoning (death, innocent lives, lunatic murderers, remember the fallen). Speaking as a psychology professor, I can tell you that whenever such emotion is integral to one’s reasoning, one is NOT being reasonable. Just some food for thought. As you continue to investigate this matter, watch for the emotional responses from people. It’s fairly predictable. And one more thing… I teach at a major American university in the southeast–if you are interested in college sports, you undoubtedley are aware of our school. None of the professors in our engineering department who have looked at the data believe the government’s story.

Jon
February 22nd, 2008 at 5:48 pm

I think its funny how people jump to the conclusion that you share the opinion that the video is trying to convey. The fact that these people are upset at you and implying in anyway that you are a skeptic just goes to show that they aren’t really even reading your post. I understand that this is not necessarily your take on 9.11 and I agree, it is a great video. I, like you, don’t really know which way to go with it but it is thought provoking nonetheless. I first came across your work when researching the 2012 “Armageddon”. Please keep up the great work and I will continue to read with great interest.

Ben
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:03 pm

Thanks Jon!

JWill
February 25th, 2008 at 11:49 am

To Awesome McSaint:
“the people who designed the buildings openly stated(and bragged about it after they were built) that the buildings could take the impact of a plane during a hurricane.”

Yes, and the buildings DID take the impact of both planes and continued to stay standing strong. What caused the collapse was the heat of the burning jet fuel. The structure of the buildings weakened and they collapsed. This is why the buildings APPEAR to collapse just like they would have if there were explosives being detonated.

And do you really think explosives would have survived the impact of the airplanes? What about the massive heat? Think before you say your stupid and irrational thoughts.

JWill

Ben
February 25th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

JWill, I’ll refer you to Brent and Jon comment just above your.

Everybody has its own opinion and I think that’s what interesting about that post…Nobody being stupid here.

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Klye Johnson
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:22 am

I dont think 9/11 was a conspiracy. For several reasons.

1. If a missle hit the Pentagon, then why in the living hell did it produce a small hole, and why were there charred aircraft remains?

2. The impact thoes 757’s produced were massive. They could have weakened the towers to the point where they couldnt take a whole lot more punishment, which the fire provided. Yes, I know it didnt melt, but it had to of produce more structual damage in some way shape or form.

3. There is actually a website that has point by point rebuttles of EVERYTHING stated in the loose change movies. Look it up on google, Im not shitting you!

JT
March 5th, 2008 at 9:18 pm

Klye - 9/11 was a conspiracy because it was done by more than one person; that, by definition is a conspiracy. The question remains as to with whom the conspirators were conspiring.

How the buildings collapsed or were collapsed is also a question.

I am much more interested in the psychology of the 911 attacks in comparison to other attacks committed by other or the same terrorists. The attack on the USS Cole, the African embassys, the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City, the first attacks on the WTC in the early 1990’s, etc.

Nick
March 14th, 2008 at 4:41 am

Hi Ben, good topic. It’s sad that people are so offended by the notion that those buildings may have come down with some inside help that they revert to name calling and accusations of being anti-American. This is one blog post which seems to be fairly balanced, hence my comment.

I prefer to ask whether the points raised by people like Jeff King have been addressed in the official investigations or not. From what I understand, they haven’t. I hear people like Klye above say that all these “theories” have been debunked, but why weren’t they debunked by the official investigations?

The 9/11 Truth movement is pressing for an independent investigation to answer all the questions that haven’t been answered. I think that’s a great idea, and I’m surprised the majority aren’t supportive of this. An investigation into these alternative theories should end all the speculation and ridicule.

F.P.
March 17th, 2008 at 6:12 pm

A.) It is impossible for jet fuel to weaken steal of the grade used in the WTC construction. Look into all the other high rise fires before you promote such a farcical claim.

B.) What singed wreckage at the Pentagon? Ho do you figure 5 dozen tons of plane could vaporize leaving…well…What wreckage? If it vaporized, why are their desks, computers, and cable reels visible and unscathed on the ground in front of the pentagon? Why is their a hole burrowed three rings deep into it?

C.) It is now common knowledge, thanks to the BBC and several CIA and military people who have come out (the documentary is called “the power of nightmares”. YouTube it.) to say Al Qaeda was completely made up and that Bin Laden wasn’t a leader of anything.

Get informed, friends. Some other person on this forum said “Seems they were just not designed to have a Boeing slam into them.” How under-informed you truly are, my friend.

Do your homework, and open your minds. If you go at this problem free of bias you’ll start to understand that all the “debunking” going on out there, some of it cited here by other posters, is based on absurd scientific arguments and blatant patriotic, hypnoticly repeated disinformation.

Start thinking with your heads, not your flags.

As a note, I found it so funny as tent cities (search tent cities, You Tube, Los Angeles) started springing up as a result of the manufactured collapse of the American Economy, people still fly that flag outside their dwelling, which is now a mobile, if their lucky, a tent if not so lucky, and plastic wrap for the truly unfortunate.

The constitution, the bill of rights, and the ability to make a living are under attack by the banks, and 9/11 only served to benefit that cause.

Im sure many of you still think those two core documents of U.S. society are fully preserved and enshrined forever, when in the U.S., and every western society, those rights were supplanted a long time ago.

These, and many other reasons, are why many scream at you everyday to WAKE UP! Our world is being destroyed, and 9/11 was the justification for so much of the current phase.

Max
April 2nd, 2008 at 1:36 pm

Hi - just wanted to say good design and blog -

Ben
April 2nd, 2008 at 1:37 pm

Thanks a lot Max!

AzMike
May 5th, 2008 at 10:49 am

It seems a bit strange that a majority of the populace continues to believe our government would not LIE to it’s subjects; would not do anything that would harm, maim or kill it’s subjects. It is a fact that if you are told something over and over you will believe it to be true whether it is or not.

In the WTC 9/11 incident: we have been told by many top engineers, and metallurgists who have done vast amounts of studies; and explanations have been presented which are supported by physics; that the WTC buildings collapsing was much more than the planes that slammed into them. Yet there so many that still believe that our government officials are relaying to the populace an accurate account of events that caused the buildings to collapse.

First: It appears that there was considerably more studies and research performed by individuals that are acknowledged as some of the top in their field. And the reports that were given in these studies seem considerably more plausible than what the government is trying to get us to believe. Yet there are so many that continue to absorb the facts as explained by the government. This is called mental conditioning and has been going on for decades. It has been introduced to us at such an early age that we are conditioned to accept the things we are told by our government, are things of truth.

To every plot there is an expected outcome. What is it that was accomplished through the tragedy of the WTC demolition project?
Our government has taken it upon themselves to implement changes to our structural judicial system, side stepping around constitutional laws and giving unto itself additional powers that are being used more as a means of control than a means to protect. The government is taking from us Liberties in the pretense of security. The government is telling us these measures are for our own good whether we think so or not. We are being forced into a national ID system with the initial plan of ID chip implants, that retain for reference considerably more information than just your ID. The government is engaging in the use of illegal wiretapping in the pretense of security and telling it’s subjects “It’s OK, we’re the government.” They monitor e-mails also, proclaiming the same authority.

I find it very difficult NOT to believe there’s a conspiracy in our government that reaches into the International realm.

Through history there are many records showing us that governments can establish and maintain control of it’s subjects by controlling their commodities, whether it be food, fuel, or money. Also, by government controlling passage of it’s subjects within its borders.

Liberty is the people having control of governmental powers; not the powers of the government controlling the people.

Why hasn’t the government officials proclaiming to us that it was all just a terrorist plot been subjected to the same scrutiny as they are imposing. If there is a cover-up of a real conspiracy against the people at the WTC, why is it not being pursued, and the people involved being investigated as possible terrorists and performing acts of treason against this country.

There are so many, that through mental conditioning, believe that our government is the controlling power over this great nation. This great nation “IS” supposed to be the controlling power over our government. We have been conditioned to believe what our government tells us to be true.

Look around people; who is really responsible for our energy situation; or our inflationary economy. We have our money controlled by a Federal Reserve System that is not any part of our government; and by design was initiated to not only control our money’s but to provide for individuals outside of our government to have that control.

We are lead to believe that our income tax system was derived as a means to support the costs of our governing bodies and to provide a means to pay for any debts our government accrues. Our income tax system, by design and implementation, came in like a thief in the night. There is NO possible way a government could every pull itself out of debt if all it’s money’s have to be borrowed from an outside source and paid back at face value PLUS interest. And what is face value? Is it the amount of dollars imprinted on those Federal Reserve Notes? Blacks Law Dictionary describes a note as to having five separate things to be a legal note; 1. When the note was written; 2. When the note can be redeemed; 3. Where the note can be redeemed; 4. To whom the note is redeemable to; 5. What the note is to be redeemed in; e.g. dollars, cows, nuts, apples, BS. The Coinage Act states that “a dollar is 412.5 Grains of Standard Silver”. It does not say it is a piece of paper that someone wrote “This note is Legal Tender for all debts public and private”. But yet another branch of our judicial system ‘The Supreme Court’ has ruled that a note is NON-TAXABLE until it is redeemed. This alone should have put questions in the minds of the populace as to the legalities of these non-redeemable Federal Reserve notes.

Here is another tidbit of info; Title 371 USC states “No court shall except anything as payment for debt but gold or silver coin unless voluntarily tendered” It appears the courts know what is real and what is not. But empowered with this knowledge does the courts divulge this when requesting payment for debt?

It has come the time that WE THE PEOPLE take a stand against TYRANNY and POLITICAL control of the masses. Oh, by the way, if you DO take a stand and demand your rights as set forth in the documents that laid out the foundation for this great nation; are you then classified as a terrorist, or maybe a radical militant? Personally I think you should be called a PATRIOT!! Do you suppose that’s what our government would say? Probably not; but that is the description given to the men forming the ranks of the Colonial Militia, at war against Great Britton. And the name of PATRIOT was also given to those men that drafted and signed the Declaration of Independence. Even though Great Britton had classified them as terrorists and were to be executed for their treasonest acts.

I have gone away from the original subject matter of the WTC tragedy; but what will it take for people to believe that BS is BS even (especially) if told by someone telling you TRUST ME. AzM

To further your education into these matters check these websites; wethepeople.com restoretherepublic.com
One can only believe in as much as one is educated to believe.

Mr.J0K3R
May 29th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

1. No steel-framed building before or since 9/11 has ever collapsed due to fire.
The Empire State Building was hit by a B-52 bomber July 28, 1945. Did NOT collapse. Other, & significantly older buildings have burned for DAYS reducing the building to framework but NEVER has a skyscraper suffered a structural failure due to fire.
2. No official agency (FAA, FBI, or the airlines) has ever released a list of the 9/11
passengers. But within hours, the FBI released a list of the hijackers. 9 of which have been proven to be alive.
3. On September 11th, 2001 the FAA successfully grounded all aircraft-–an
unprecedented operation. Yet it could not successfully scramble any jet fighters that
day-–a normal procedure occurring over 100 times a year.
4. Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper and part of the World Trade Center complex, was
not struck by a plane but collapsed in 6.5 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on September 11th, in
the exact manner of a controlled demolition.
5. There was no visible airplane debris where Flight 93 supposedly crashed in
Pennsylvania-–only a smoking hole in the ground, much like a bomb crater.
6. Office fires burn at low temperatures of 600-800 dF. Steel melts at 2750 dF. Jet
fuel is an ordinary hydrocarbon; its maximal burning temperature is 1200 dF in open
air. Neither jet fuel nor the burning contents of the buildings could have caused the
towers’ steel structure to buckle or fail.
7. Tests have shown that cell-phone calls cannot be made at altitudes over 4000 to
8000 feet, as cell towers are located on the ground. Commercial airplanes fly at
30,000 feet and above. No passenger could have successfully placed a call for help
by cell phone from an airborne plane on 9/11, as reported.
8. 9/11 was immediately declared an “act of war” by President Bush. The rubble from
Ground Zero was carted away and the steel sold off without examination.
9. Enormous profits were made by insiders on plummeting stock prices of the two
airlines involved in 9/11-–American and United. Federal law protects their identities.
10. Accepting victims’ compensation barred 9/11 families from further discovery
through litigation.

Could go on for days with HARD evidence, but in the end IF the government wanted to completely discredit these kinds of discussion they could have simply released the hotel CCTV tapes that clearly recorded the side of the Pentagon that was hit on 9/11. They’ve released 9 still frames…

Dave, If you are that close minded. Good riddance.

http://tvnewslies.org/html/9_11_facts.html

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